Generally problem isn't figthers following a target in warp, it's them being assisted away, and then following the assisted ship into warp. Allowing you to park a carrier on the edge of a POS, while another ship uses the entire DPS of that carrier of grid for a gate camp, or ratting, or whatever. With 0 risk to the carrier and massive bonus for the more expendable ship.

CCP is saying this problem can be fixed by EITHER removing the fighter assist (the current planned change) OR by removing fighter warp (offer to community to decide between the two).

I can't speak for the drone assist thing. However, I do can provide an idea for the whole "warp or not warp" thing.

In fact I think it is a very simple solution: just add a checkbox on the "Drone Options" menu which forces your fighter(bomber)s to warp or not to warp after their targets. Something like:

[Checkbox] Fighters pursue targets into warp

Hope this helps.

No... you did. See the final sentance.




Clearly says remove warp OR leave it in without assist.

I've yet to see an actual argument to keeping fighters going to warp besides "please don't nerf they cost me money".

I hate being harsh but I haven't read one yet

I never said they didn't raise it as a question or option. I said they presented is as an either/or. 1 change basically makes the other 1 less useful, so they ask if the community wants it changed, left alone, or something else changed.

I think we are saying same thing but from different perspectives.

Forgot to add, the nullbot tears in this thread are absolutely delicious.

So you assume that anyone who lives in nullsec and has a carrier is a bot? How droll. Please keep the tinfoil hat on.

Your argument is invalid because reasons.

I am a capital pilot, and I do not feel these changes ruin my experience. Carriers are still extremely powerful.

Rather they have the potential to make it a more exciting game - man up and put some assets on the field, you might just have some fun with them.

in that case, why not just remove Carriers ??

actually it's just an important feature for lazy incompetent pilots

feeling pretty trolled right now.

Leave fighters ability to warp after their target alone... as that does provide some often amusing results when a aggressor to a capital, breaks off and runs for the gate, only to realize when he is stuck there on account of aggression while the fighters pummel him

Carriers and Supers should have an option in the Drone Window, whether the fighters/bombers enter warp or not. So you can either sit there and have them stay on grid, or chase the guy fleeing if you don't need the dps on grid at that time.

The best solution would be to introduce a toggle for fighter warp drives, if it's possible from technical side.

I'm still trying to see why keeping the fighter warp is beneficial. Nobody is saying why.

I'm thinking about quoting every dilettante with
http://gorsking.blogspot.de/2015/02/****-skynet.html
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5532655#post5532655
maybe it will help but i doubt it.

So maybe every new site once so i don't spam this topic?

So a good deal of the concern and worries of people here are perfectly valid; the removal of fighter assist is a good lighting rod for encapsulating the general zeitgeist of dissatisfaction with the way changes are happening these days.

Trend lines are scary both for where they have crossed, but also for where they point to; what else can people expect to have removed because it is a convenient way to address a problem?

Part of the epicness of this game is finally having a training plan pay off, of having goals that aren't reached overnight, or getting that ship you have been aiming for. You are seriously damaging players' will to stay the course, set big goals, or even attempt or care about bigger trains by repeatedly altering bigger ships into absolute impracticality.

Jump fatigue solved a problem. However, it also had collateral damage; relocations, deployments, and wars are all under much heavier constraint, and ships that people had trained for, as in spent valuable time training for, were no longer all that functional. What players are upset about is the appearance of being blaz+¬ about the collateral damage of changes. Lots of people owned carriers to be able to move their ships to where they can actually find content - now this feature is so changed as to not be what people were training towards.

Cap and supercap pilots are frustrated already. Part of this could be pointed to the political structures which keep them inactive, but just as well, this blame is or can be passed on to the sov system that spawned such political structures. Just taking things from players after they have earned them doesn't inspire confidence; people would generally feel better if there was a balance between nerfs and buffs, instead of seeing their SP investment entirely poof into dust in the wind.

Too many bandaids do not fix what requires actual attention.

This whole thing makes me fear something is rotten at the heart of Eve. "We don't have a clue how to fix POS code, or off-grid boosters, or local chat, or really anything except modify a few numbers in some spreadsheets, so let's do that."

Removing it compeletely is not the right solution. Please spend some actual effort in solving the risk-free aspect of POS skynet, and go ahead with rebalancing capital ships. No reason to wait with that.

If capital pilots are upset about a repeated series of nerfs to capital ships, maybe they should be supporting some form of skill point remapping (like I proposed here) in order to re-allocate those "wasted" skill points.

Remapping only, not buying.

Rise, consider that this capital rebalance you claim to take seriously might not be very appreciated if everyone's given up flying them by the time you finally get around to it.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-scylla

Fighter 'assist' will apparently function like regular drone assist, with the addition of warp capability (fighters will follow the assisted ship into/out of warp).